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Manslaughter - Excessive Self-Defence

This table is intended to be used as a guide only. Individual cases should be read if they are to be relied upon.

    CasePleaRecordSentenceAppealFacts
    Nguyen
    (24)
    NSW SC [536]
    Greg James J
    14.6.2002
    PG -
    Mansl
    s.33
    2 x s.33A

    Sched:
    Possess unlic firearm
    Serious offences including armed robbery - On parole7y
    NPP 3y 6m
    (other offences concurrent)
    6 persons burst into house where offender visiting - armed with clubs and bars intending to rob and inflict injury if required - Offender discharged 2 shots from pistol killing one man - Pursued men firing more shots - Impulsive shooting
    Vietnamese - Prospects of rehabilitation
    Cioban
    (37)
    NSWSC [972]
    Studdert J
    18.10.2002

    NSW CCA
    (2003) 139 A Crim R 265
    VG
    s.33A
    Manls
    minor Manslaughter:
    8y
    NPP 5y
    Total:
    9y
    NPP 6y
    Conviction AA - s.33A

    Manslaughter:
    AA
    6y 6m
    NPP 4y
    Involved in fight with group of Fijians on street - Punched and kicked - Fired shot at V failing to strike anything - Pursued by V in aggressive manner - Backed into door way and shot V in chest - No premeditation - Believed necessary to defend self
    Romanian - Full time carer for disabled son - Offence out of character - Good prospects of rehabilitation
    Trevenna
    (32)
    NSWSC [463]
    Buddin J
    29.5.2003

    NSW CCA [43]
    4.3.2004
    PGMinor record – breached bond7y 6m
    NPP 4y 6m
    Crown ADFemale - Attacked by male house mate – Choked and threatened with death – V holding cricket bat – Shot V in back of head – Volatile and deteriorating relationship – Offender in fear of V – V large and intimidating male - Unpremeditated
    Childhood history of sexual abuse – Remorse – Positive prospects of rehabilitation
    Scott
    (41)
    NSWSC [627]
    Whealy J
    10.7.2003
    PGMinor/irrelevant5y
    NPP 2y 6m
    Hit de facto husband on head 5 times with heavy iron – V threatened offender with knife – Buried body in backyard and claimed de facto left
    Suffering depressive illness at time of offence – Would have responded to threat with acute and intense emotions of fear, anxiety and apprehension – Prospects of rehabilitation
    Boyd
    (37)
    NSWSC [263]
    Buddin J
    5.3.2004
    PGIncludes violence but only one period of imprisonment7y 6m
    NPP 4y 6m
    Multiple stab wounds to neighbour in hotel with carving knife – Violent argument – Both intoxicated
    Violent and deprived childhood – Hearing deficit and low intelligence – Reduced ability to deal with stress
    Forbes
    (29)
    NSWSC [421]
    Hulme J
    7.5.2004

    NSW CCA [377]
    4.11.2005
    PG
    Mans

    VG
    Mansl – (murder trial)
    Lengthy record – breached paroleMansl 1:
    12y
    NPP 9y
    Mansl 2:
    12y
    NPP 8y
    Total:
    19y
    NPP 15y
    AA
    Mansl 1:
    9y
    NPP 6y 9m
    Mansl 2:
    12y
    NPP 8y
    Total:
    16y 9m
    NPP 12y 9m
    Involved in fight outside hotel – Male stabbed by friend – Aware friends intoxicated and had knife – Aware risk knife would be used Unlawful and dangerous act – joint criminal enterprise)
    3 months later took loaded gun to confront male acquaintance over disputed issues – Aware V violent – Shot V in caravan in subsequent struggle – Second shot fired while V on or near floor – Intent to kill
    Low prospects of rehabilitation
    Muddle
    (40)
    NSWSC [403]
    Bell J
    21.5.2004
    VG
    (murder trial)
    Minor6y
    NPP 3y
    Became involved in sustained physical fight with younger and powerfully built male acquaintance during drinking session at offender’s home – V threatened to kill then forced way into house – Stabbed in upper back with knife
    Excessive self defence to introduce weapon
    Genuine remorse – Reasonable prospects of rehabilitation
    Price
    (29)
    NSWSC [868]
    Barr J
    23.9.2004
    PGSignificant, inc 4 offences with a knife8y
    NPP 5y
    Stabbed drug dealer – plea accepted but not wholly clear whether excessive self-defence or unlawful and dangerous act – habitually carried a knife
    Aboriginal – previous alcohol problems – on methadone program but continues to use heroin from time to time – prospects of rehabilitation.
    Vuni
    (50)
    NSWSC [184]
    Studdert J
    11.3.2005
    VG
    (murder trial)
    Prior convictions for violence10y
    NPP 7y 6m
    Shot male acquaintance in head after heated discussion – intent to kill – had been requested by deceased to recover stolen weapons and assault men responsible – threatened by deceased when failed carry out request – fearful for family present at scene of offence
    Tongan
    Ward
    (54)
    NSWSC [266]
    Whealy J
    15.4.2005
    VG
    (murder trial)
    Minor assault7y
    NPP 4y
    Stabbed male neighbour in throat with penknife used to open letters – V kicked offender with steel capped boots and punched him in head – not reasonable response to assault – history of poor relationship between neighbours
    Immediate remorse – good character and good prospects of rehabilitation
    Ali
    (mid 20s)
    NSWSC [334]
    Wood CJ at CL
    18.4.2005
    VG at murder trialRecord includes acc to robbery5y 8m
    NPP 2y 8m
    V obsessed with offender’s partner - threatened offender and partner a number of times including holding a pistol to H’s head – on night of killing, V had cocaine and told others he was going ‘to get’ offender – V talked with offender then threatened to have his parents killed – offender shot V when latter seeking refuge after being disarmed
    Lebanese background – stable family – doesn’t use drugs – remorse – involved in community – H pregnant again
    WKD
    (19)





    MJN
    (15)

    NSWSC [694]
    Mathews AJ
    29.6.2005
    VG
    (murder trial)

    PG
    Steal from dwelling
    Included assault






    Nil relevant
    Manslaughter
    12y
    NPP 8y
    Total:
    13y 6m
    NPP 9y

    Manslaughter:
    6y
    NPP 3y
    Total:
    7y
    NPP 3y 6m
    Male and young cousin assaulted male acquaintance in home with iron bar and beer bottle – stole property – Attended home with intent to assault – retaliation for earlier confrontation
    WD - primary offender – inflicted majority of injuries – Excessive self defence - aboriginal – 2 children from long term relationship
    NM – under influence of older cousin – pre-existing criminal enterprise to assault – Aboriginal - remorse
    Ahmad
    (30)
    NSWSC [911]
    Howie J
    11.9.2005
    PG

    Mal inflict GBH
    Mal wound
    AOABH
    IrrelevantManslaughter:
    9y 4m
    NPP 6y
    Total:
    10y 4m
    NPP 7y
    Arguments between factions of Lebanese community – offender broke V1’s jaw and later shot and killed V2 – intent to kill
    Lebanese – married with 3 young children – wife sentenced for hindering police – out of character – some hearing loss from bomb blasts in Lebanon – very low IQ – good rehabilitation prospects
    Cakosvki
    (19)
    NSWSC [1001]
    Studdert J
    7.10.2005
    PGMinor but breach of bail7y 8m
    NPP 5y 8m
    Earlier conviction for murder overturned on appeal, [2004] NSWCCA 280Stabbed elderly drunk during attempt to rob – V had killed 3 people over 25 years earlier and had threatened to kill someone the night he was killed
    Behaviour in custody improved since converting to Islam – supportive relationship and family – emotionally immature – possibly ADHD – no genuine remorse – special circumstances
    Hamilton
    (34)
    NSWSC [452]
    Adams J
    9.5.2007
    PGPriors – no violence5y 6m
    NPP 2y 6m
    Struggled with male friend at house – Victim acting in irrational, violent and threatening manner with knife – genuine fear – three blows excessive – took body and dumped in creek at golf course at bequest of occupier of house afraid of going to gaol –offence in low range
    Borderline intellectual functioning – remorse
    Diab
    (26)
    NSWSC [577]
    Studdert J
    7.6.2007
    PGPriors – assault10y 3m
    NPP 7y 9m
    Met with victim in bedroom of house to discuss dispute over drug dealing – V drew gun but no evidence gun was loaded – shot victim five times – not a reasonable response
    King
    (18)
    NSWSC [1134]
    Fullerton J
    12.10.2007
    PGNil4y
    NPP 22m
    Argument broke out with strangers outside family home of offender – 30-40 additional men arrived to continue fight – genuine fear for safety of self, brother and family including children in house – retrieved knife from house – stabbed V in neck – single stab wound - intent to inflict GBH only – low end of range of seriousness
    Good character – Long term relationship with young child – Nearly 2 years PSC - remorse
    Hansell
    (31)
    NSWSC [1136]
    Latham J
    12.10.2007
    PGNil relevant3y 4m
    NPP 2y
    After evening of drinking with friends V turned violent – V seriously assaulted offender’s brother and wife – Offender held V around neck blocking airway – Intent to restrain not choke – Element of punishment and recklessness – Lower end of scale of seriousness
    Good character – Married with daughter – Genuine remorse
    Turuta
    (44)
    NSWSC [1505]
    Mathews AJ
    VG at murder trial
    Assault
    Nil7y
    NPP 4y 6m
    Fight broke with neighbour and friend after offender physically assaulted partner – stabbed neighbour in back and stomach
    Extraordinary hardship to three children – serious physical deterioration of mother – born in Cook Islands
    A.S.Jones
    (43)






    A.Jones
    (21)





    S.M.Jones
    (32)





    S.Jones
    (64)





    E.Jones
    (female)
    63)

    NSWSC [1333]
    Buddin J
    23.11.2007
    VG
    Mansl
    Mal wound

    Sched:
    4 off


    VG
    Mansl
    Mal wound
    Assault



    PG
    Mansl
    Mal wound




    VG
    Mansl
    Mal wound




    VG
    Mansl
    Mal wound
    Nil







    Minor






    Minor






    Minor






    nil
    Mansl
    8y 3m
    NPP 5y 3m
    Total
    9y
    NPP 6y


    Mansl
    8y 3m
    NPP 5y 3m
    Total
    9y
    NPP 6y

    Mansl
    8y 3m
    NPP 5y 3m
    Total
    9y
    NPP 6y

    Mansl
    7y 9m
    NPP 4y 9m
    Total
    8y 6m
    NPP 5y 6m

    Mansl
    7y
    NPP 4y 6m
    Total
    7y 6m
    NPP 5y
    All offenders part of Romany gypsy family – Victims members of another Romany gypsy family related by marriage to offenders – during evening AS Jones and A Jones involved in aggressive altercation with members of victim family – both familles armed selves and prepared for confrontation – SM Jones, S Jones and E Jones travelled to caravan park for purpose of confrontation – fight broke out in which male complainant fatally stabbed and second male complainant badly injured – A Jones assaulted 16y female – not clear which offender responsible for fatal stabbing – element of self defence and provocation – culpability of E.Jones slightly less – Offenders convicted of alternative offences at trial for murder and attempt murder

    Sentenced on the basis of excessive self defence / provocation / joint criminal enterprise

    AS Jones – father to A Jones and son of S Jones - credit given for offer to plead to manslaughter - exemplary conduct in custody – possibility of deportation – prospects of rehabilitation
    A Jones – son of AS Jones - remorse – prospects of rehabilitation – credit given for offer to plead to manslaughter
    SM Jones – evaded police and voluntarily surrendered during trial of other offenders
    S Jones – father to AS Jones and S Jones and grandfather of A Jones
    E Jones – wife of S Jones, mother to AS Jones – health problems – isolation from family (most in custody)
    Salah
    (33)
    NSWSC [311]
    Johnson J
    4.4.2008
    PGMinor8y 9m
    NPP 5y 9m
    Earlier in day had violent argument with – Several hours later returned to area and warned V armed with knife – in subsequent confrontation Vi broke hand of brother and threatened with knife – grabbed knife from V and stabbed six times – more serious category
    Israeli national – good character
    Williamson
    (19)
    NSWSC [686]
    James J
    2.6.2008
    PGNil5y
    NPP 2y 6m
    Stabbed 15y male once in abdomen with broken glass drug smoking pipe during fight at party in bushland – fight provoked by victim jealous of relationship with ex-girlfriend – assaulted V and others – sustained head injury – spontaneous offence – intent to cause GBH – intoxicated
    Disrupted childhood – substance abuse – good prospects of rehabilitation
    Stewart
    (27)
    NSWSC [563]
    Johnson J
    6.6.2008
    VG at murder trialPriors including violence10y 6m
    NPP 7y 3m
    Altercation between offender and victim at house offender shared with mutual friend – asked by friend to leave - offender returned unannounced next afternoon – stabbed Victim 12 times with push dagger during punch up with Victim – armed with concealed weapon – intent to inflict GBH – high objective gravity
    Discount for offer to plead guilty
    Lynn
    (29)
    NSWSC [1112]
    Hidden J
    7.11.2008
    PGLengthy – includes carrying weapon in public place7y
    NPP 4y 6m
    Confrontation on with Victim – reached over and stabbed him once at base of neck – spontaneous offence – reacted to comment made by V – fought with V 3-4 weeks earlier
    Difficult childhood – lacks insight into offence
    Irvine
    (20)
    NSW CCA [273]
    21.11.2008
    PGnil3y
    NPP 2y
    PD
    Crown ADNumber of young persons taking part in burnouts on street – victim crashed vehicle and left scene – respondent and friend went after victim to tell him to return to scene and await police – victim intoxicated and abusive – respondent punched victim in self-defence – victim suffered haemorrhage - victim had congenital abnormality in vertebral artery which may have required less trauma to have caused haemorrhage.
    Strong subjective case – youth – rehabilitation.
    CR
    (16)
    NSWSC [1208]
    Kirby J
    28.11.2008
    VG
    (murder trial)
    AOABH7y
    NPP 3y 6m
    Met male stranger outside toilet block while waiting for friend – intoxicated but not drunk – after sharing drink and talking subjected to bear hug by V – misunderstanding as to actions and motives – panicked and stabbed V twice – carried knife for protection – impulsive offence – no intent to kill – V suffering Aspergers – offender not homophobic
    No history of violence – remorse – very good prospects of rehabilitation – early abuse of alcohol
    Katic
    (29)
    NSWSC [1330]
    Hidden J
    12.12.2008
    VG
    (murder trial)

    PG
    Agg AR
    Nil significantManslaughter
    9y
    NPP 5y 6m

    Total:
    11y
    NPP 7y 6m
    Robbed newsagency with unloaded air rifle – co-offender standing lookout – Pursued by proprietor – Struck proprietor with wooden fence paling – fatal assault
    Offered to plead guilty to manslaughter – Troubled background – Substance abuse – Remorse – Prospects of rehabilitation
    Abbas
    (33)
    NSWSC [127]
    Mathews AJ
    6.3.2009
    PGMinor record – no gaol6y 9m
    NPP 3y 9m
    Intoxicated male victim threatened offender and friend at table in fast food outlet – strangers – attempted to have friend leave – retrieved knife from car to scare V – stabbed V four times when V holding friend by shirt neck - lower end of spectrum
    Voluntarily attended police station – extreme remorse – severely physically assaulted by mother leaving heightened response to threats – attempted suicide twice as teen – good work record – married with two children – strong prospects of rehabilitation
    TT
    (20)

    RT
    (17)

    ET
    (25)

    NSWSC [437]
    Latham J
    20.5.2009
    PGBreached bond for minor offence

    Nil

    Nil
    6y 3m
    NPP 3y 3m

    6y 6m
    NPP 3y 6m

    6y
    NPP 3y
    TT and RT became involved in fight on street with group of men including victim – woke brother and returned to scene armed with sword and knife – Victim stabbed by RT – TT and ET charged on basis of participation in affray in knowledge that serious physical injury could result – moderately below mid-range
    TT and ET suffered skull fractures from affray – good prospects of rehabilitation – no problem with alcohol and drugs - remorse











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